I'm just going to grease the front end quick......(Update)

"Long_Voyager94" (yourenotavalidusername) 04/21/2020 at 06:54 • Filed to: fuck, rallyvan

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Turns into finding the piston on my driver’s side caliper had seized, causing the pad to tear apart, destroying my rotor.

I guess this is why I periodically inspect things on my vehicles, this could have been a lot worse for the average person.

Update:

Looking at things closer last night, it seems my hoses have collapsed ( common issue on these vans ), which was causing both calipers to drag. By the looks of it I’ll be replacing the front lines again in order to change the hoses as I doubt I’ll be able to get them loose.

Just keeps getting better......

pip bip - choose Corrour > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 06:57

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that don’t look right

DutchieDC2R > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 07:11

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I think this is exactly what has happened to my rear brake(s). Im getting mine checked out tomorrow...the calipers have been replqced, pads looked good but I think the rotors are shot...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 07:40

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Periodically inspect. I rotate my tires and change my oil   diligently every 5,000 miles and do an inspection and perform maintenance, much of it preventative, and I have a couple of 20-year-old cars with a quarter million miles that I’d jump into for a thousand-mile trip without a second thought. The difficulty has become, with the Safari, finding parts. GM has discontinued most of them.

Long_Voyager94 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/20/2020 at 08:31

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Sounds like my regimen.  

I change oil, grease, and inspect every 3k on the Rally van and Acclaim. Rotate tires every 6k.

I change oil and inspect every 4k on the new van, rotate every other change.

Rotating the tires I may slack on sometimes, but the inspection is a must and I never go over mileage.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 10:00

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Drum brakes>disk brakes

Long_Voyager94 > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/20/2020 at 10:18

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Eh. I’m not partial to either.

I have no issues with drums, they have more stopping power than 99.9% of the population will ever need, and they’re cheap.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 10:18

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Please tell me that was a slotted rotor, at least (or was, anyway)

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/20/2020 at 10:51

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But what if you need to brake more than once?

VincentMalamute-Kim > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 10:53

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yah. I tell everyone this is why you should change your own oil and rotate winter/summer tires. Have a chance to inspect everything. No one listens to me.

The Caravans have zerks to be able to be greased?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/20/2020 at 11:17

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That’s the chance you take living life in the fast lane. 

Long_Voyager94 > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/20/2020 at 12:10

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That 65 Electra had no issues stopping as many times as I wanted, it even handled “spirited” driving without issue.

Long_Voyager94 > VincentMalamute-Kim 04/20/2020 at 12:12

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They do when I upgrade to greaseable units ;)

I’ve averted so many potential hazards by maintaining/inspecting my own vehicles that having a “surprise” on the side of the road is generally limited to picking something up in a tire on the road.

I’ll never understand why people have zero interest in taking proper care of the one thing that gets them where they need to go.

Long_Voyager94 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 04/20/2020 at 12:13

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It was. Stoptech slotted rotors with Akebono pads.

Which I can no longer purchase, which is very disappointing.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 12:18

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Damn, so now what?  I know you really should replace in pairs.  Which isn’t available anymore, the rotors or the pads?  

VincentMalamute-Kim > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 12:52

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ah, got it.

Maybe part of the general societal decline in mechanical ability and interest.

Long_Voyager94 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 04/20/2020 at 12:53

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Can’t seem to find either.

I’ll be doing rotors, pads, and calipers on both sides just to be done with it, but I’m not sure what I’ll end up using for rotors/pads.

I liked my setup as it cooled well enough that I didn’t get fade when towing, I’m having a hard time justifying the $250+ for drilled/slotteds with good pads though.....

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > VincentMalamute-Kim 04/20/2020 at 17:08

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honestly, this is why I tell non enthusiasts to pay a couple ex tra bucks to get a GOOD mechanic. The layperson might not understand what that means or ignore it entirely when swapping wheels. The guys at the wheel and alignment shop I take m y FoST to would catch it immediately and let you know what you need. 

facw > VincentMalamute-Kim 04/20/2020 at 17:10

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I mean, I trust my mechanic to give the car at least some sort of look over when it is in for periodic maintenance, and I’m sure they can find things I wouldn’t, or that I would notice, but wouldn’t feel confident about diagnosing.

I think the main thing is not to skip periodic maintenance, because you not only have the value that provides, but it’s an opportunity for someone to spot potential problems as well.

facw > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 17:11

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You’re going to need to let that go a bit further to achieve a nice Just Rolled Into The Shop quality pizza slicer...

Chariotoflove > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 17:30

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Can’t believe nobody did it yet, so the responsibility falls on me.

Seriously though, that’s a lot more expensive than a little grease.  Sorry man.

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 17:58

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On the the bright side, the oil should keep the caliper from rusting more.

Sorry dude.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 17:59

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What are the part numbers of the discontinued stuff? And how much are you looking to spend? Maybe we can help you find them? I need something to do while I'm "working" tomorrow. 

Thisismydisplayname > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 18:03

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I really like the power stop z23 pads.  Nice bite and no noise.

RacinBob > Long_Voyager94 04/20/2020 at 18:24

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Have you tried rock auto?

Long_Voyager94 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 04/21/2020 at 06:50

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Found the rotors through Stoptech: https://www.buybrakes.com/plymouth-voyager-base-1994/stoptech/brake-rotors/stoptech-rotors-slotted-high-carbon-no-warp-rotor

And Rockauto still carries the pads. Akebono ACT524.

But they no longer sell them as a kit, so they’re significantly more expensive to buy.

Long_Voyager94 > RacinBob 04/21/2020 at 06:51

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They carry the Akebono pads I was running, but they no longer have the Stoptech rotors.

Sovande > Long_Voyager94 04/21/2020 at 08:25

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What’s t he reason  for running slotted rotors on a mini van? A solid rotor will give you more actual stopping surface and won’t chew up the pads so quickly. If you want the rotor to be able to shed the dust faster I'd go with a drilled rotor over a slotted. But if you aren't racing, I'd go with a solid rotor. Cheaper and better all around. 

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Long_Voyager94 04/21/2020 at 09:44

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How much do machine shops around you charge to slot a normal rotor? Wait, don’t you work in a machine shop?

Long_Voyager94 > Sovande 04/21/2020 at 10:04

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Towing, hauling, brake life? Racing isn’t the sole application where keeping cool is important contrary to popular belief.

I’ve got 50k miles of hard use on these rotors/pads, if it wasn’t for the caliper/hose issue, I’d have gotten at least another 30k before they needed to be replaced. I’ve never had an issue with fade, glazing, or warping since I installed them.

Solid rotors warped, had serious fade, and glazed trying to do what I do. So actually, no they weren’t better nor cheaper.

Long_Voyager94 > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 04/21/2020 at 10:05

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Do I work in a shop, yes. I’d rather just spend the extra $20 a rotor to buy them already slotted though....

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Long_Voyager94 04/21/2020 at 10:24

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Fair enough.

My Golf has original rotors on it. They’re too thin to resurface. I got new ones for $15 a wheel (the drums are still fine so whatever. Do drums ever really wear out?). The Brembo branded drilled one was $42, the PowerStop drilled and slotted one was $82. I don’t really think that with a car as light as mine (2600 ish pounds?) there’d be a noticeable difference. I don’t really need the heat shedding a drilled/slotted rotor would be since it’s a street only car. Plus, it’d bump be into a not stock class if I took it autocrossing, and I don’t want to lose that  bad.

Sovande > Long_Voyager94 04/21/2020 at 11:15

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I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I was just making a suggestion based on facts and trying to be helpful. Won't happen again. 

Long_Voyager94 > Sovande 04/21/2020 at 12:05

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I’m sorry, the whole “ Hurr-Durr only racecars need vented rotors” shit just pisses me off.

Long_Voyager94 > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 04/21/2020 at 12:07

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If I didn’t use it for towing/hauling and drive it hard, I would just put stock rotors on it.

After a few close calls due to overheated brakes, having to replace warped rotors, and having to replace glazed pads, I’ll stick with what works.